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Re: The "state of the game"

Postby Peter_Melesso_Fanclub on Tue May 22, 2018 8:48 am

Was that at least a free kick against Buddy? (I hope so!)
I can understand not wanting to suspend for something like that, but it's really on the edge. Bit of an uncommon one, and I suspect that's what got him off. If that was happening with any regularity I think we'd find it quickly being shifted into the one week suspension realm.
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Re: The "state of the game"

Postby WCE Booka 89 on Tue May 22, 2018 9:54 am

What is everyones take on the sliding rule from the Adelaide game?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-21/talia-sliding-penalty-the-right-call-says-afl

Honestly I think it was the right decision. Talia went to ground willingly, in the same way a player ducks into a tackle to draw a high free kick, so it shouldn't have been an in the back free kick like Talia was crying for anyways. Had he slipped over in an attempt to get the ball it might have been a different story but the more you look at it, the more you see he went to ground to take out the player. More replays even show the Dogs knee going a very bad way and probably lucky the leg wasn't planted otherwise it could have been a big injury.
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Re: The "state of the game"

Postby Peter_Melesso_Fanclub on Tue May 22, 2018 10:49 am

I'm 100% ok with it being a free as well. For starters, they weren't going "the same way" as per the call. They were coming at an angle to each other, for what that is even worth. And I agree that Talia went to ground willingly and unnecessarily.
It looked to be like Webb was going to go for a soccer off the ground (based on the fact that he wasn't really slowing down or bending down), which is a perfectly legit thing for him to do in that situation.
How the hell does Ling come up with "and they're going in the same direction" immediately after viewing the replay from the final angle that shows Talia coming across Webb with a considerable lateral component to his velocity?? That could very easily have been an ankle/leg/knee-wrecking play, which is exactly what the rule is intended to prevent.
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Re: The "state of the game"

Postby WCE Booka 89 on Tue May 22, 2018 11:04 am

Peter_Melesso_Fanclub wrote:I'm 100% ok with it being a free as well. For starters, they weren't going "the same way" as per the call. They were coming at an angle to each other, for what that is even worth. And I agree that Talia went to ground willingly and unnecessarily.
It looked to be like Webb was going to go for a soccer off the ground (based on the fact that he wasn't really slowing down or bending down), which is a perfectly legit thing for him to do in that situation.
How the hell does Ling come up with "and they're going in the same direction" immediately after viewing the replay from the final angle that shows Talia coming across Webb with a considerable lateral component to his velocity?? That could very easily have been an ankle/leg/knee-wrecking play, which is exactly what the rule is intended to prevent.


I dont understand how they keep saying that Webb initiated the contact?he maintains his running line, not gonna lie if I am running in a straight line to the ball at full speed, if I see a bloke cut in front and drop, i'm not going to be able to make a move in less than a second to not run them over... Talia has initiated it 110% by dropping in front of him
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Re: The "state of the game"

Postby Peter_Melesso_Fanclub on Tue May 22, 2018 11:15 am

One other thing I'll add. I'm just watching last night's "Talking Footy" at the moment (yes, I am that happy with things this week that I'm even willing to watch Talking Footy just to continue soaking up the footy conversation) and Luke Darcy says, regarding the rule: "Most overrated rule change we've had in the game. It happened once, we saw one injury, it was Gary Rohan - Lindsay Thomas, it hasn't happened again"

[Engage Dunstall rant-mode voice] YOU FLOG. WHY DO YOU THINK IT HASN'T HAPPENED AGAIN???!!!?!?! MORON!!!!
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Re: The "state of the game"

Postby Fat Side on Tue May 22, 2018 12:34 pm

The only response to a Subject title called 'State of the Game' is:.....Victoria!
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Re: The "state of the game"

Postby Voice of Reason on Sat May 26, 2018 6:49 pm

OK - I did deliberately hijack the thread at the beginning because I wanted a broader strategic assessment. The TV shows react week to week and I don't buy into it.

So I think that there is nothing wrong with the game; it remains a great game - when played well.

I saw some stats on the Eagles the other day - #1 for kicks, #18 for handballs, #1 for contested marks in the forward 50. Playing with two rucks - one impact, one solid. X-factor in Ryan, Rioli. Blooding youth, but keeping experience. Structures, tam spirit, work ethic, tactics. Superb to watch - every game at the Stadium this year has been marvellous.

Today I watched St Kilda fail to beat a winged, two-men down including their main forward target (Reiwoldt) Richmond, who had faced us the previous week. Couldn't kick over a jam tin. Eddie reckons Jack Steven was terrific - all I saw was a bloke gathering stats and handballing to stationery teammates who were under pressure. Jack Billings - "great talent" can only kick off one side of his body. Paddy McCartin - his judgment of an incoming ball was so bad, I don't think he could catch a bus. Hopeless kicking for goal. Same coach for five years and the skills were woeful.

All depends what game you're watching.
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Re: The "state of the game"

Postby Fat Side on Sat May 26, 2018 6:54 pm

Voice of Reason wrote:OK - I did deliberately hijack the thread at the beginning because I wanted a broader strategic assessment. The TV shows react week to week and I don't buy into it.

So I think that there is nothing wrong with the game; it remains a great game - when played well.

I saw some stats on the Eagles the other day - #1 for kicks, #18 for handballs, #1 for contested marks in the forward 50. Playing with two rucks - one impact, one solid. X-factor in Ryan, Rioli. Blooding youth, but keeping experience. Structures, tam spirit, work ethic, tactics. Superb to watch - every game at the Stadium this year has been marvellous.

Today I watched St Kilda fail to beat a winged, two-men down including their main forward target (Reiwoldt) Richmond, who had faced us the previous week. Couldn't kick over a jam tin. Eddie reckons Jack Steven was terrific - all I saw was a bloke gathering stats and handballing to stationery teammates who were under pressure. Jack Billings - "great talent" can only kick off one side of his body. Paddy McCartin - his judgment of an incoming ball was so bad, I don't think he could catch a bus. Hopeless kicking for goal. Same coach for five years and the skills were woeful.

All depends what game you're watching.


St Kilda are a team devoid of confidence. Any team near the bottom of the ladder will struggle with skill errors etc. With confidence comes skills, speed of ball movement and pace across the ground. St Kilda's players seemed to get sucked into or on the periphery of the contest. They got stuck inside and there were few options outside or forward of the ball. Very little spread from the contest.

Once they get their confidence they will be okay. Right now they need a spark from somewhere. I don't believe that dumping the coach will work.
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