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Is the AFLPA getting too greedy?

Postby Crazy Dazz on Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:53 am

Supposedly the latest negotiations for a new CBA are at an impasse, with Dangerfield threatening strike action.

I can't help but wonder if these elite players are just getting too flaming greedy?

They believe that they bring the money in and are therefore deserving of obscene salaries, but I fundamentally disagree.
The money is not earned by the skills of the players.The AFL earns so much money because so many people love watching footy. The reality is that the AFL profits from the huge grass-roots popularity. If all Australians grew up playing Soccer, AFL would not even be a professional sport.

If the AFL sacked the top 10% of earners, how would that effect footy patronage next season? It wouldn't.
Memorabilia sales might take a hit, but folks would still want to watch their teams play.

Even if some of our best young athletes decide to pursue Basketball or Soccer, in hopes of lucrative O/S careers, is that going to erode support for our teams?

I think more money should flow back to grass-roots footy. Because ultimately that is where the money comes from.
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Re: Is the AFLPA getting too greedy?

Postby domo_the_eagle on Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:19 pm

In today's current economic climate the 10% wage increase is pretty generous.

i think players are getting too greedy. Even if the players got a fixed % of total revenue most of that will be used to lure the big fish not the average AFL player. The AFL should agree to it, however should impose some sort of tier system where the stars are not getting paid 4x more than the average earner.
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Re: Is the AFLPA getting too greedy?

Postby Crazy Dazz on Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:08 pm

domo_the_eagle wrote:In today's current economic climate the 10% wage increase is pretty generous.

i think players are getting too greedy. Even if the players got a fixed % of total revenue most of that will be used to lure the big fish not the average AFL player. The AFL should agree to it, however should impose some sort of tier system where the stars are not getting paid 4x more than the average earner.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.
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Re: Is the AFLPA getting too greedy?

Postby Fair Bump Play On on Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:49 pm

Crazy Dazz wrote:
domo_the_eagle wrote:In today's current economic climate the 10% wage increase is pretty generous.

i think players are getting too greedy. Even if the players got a fixed % of total revenue most of that will be used to lure the big fish not the average AFL player. The AFL should agree to it, however should impose some sort of tier system where the stars are not getting paid 4x more than the average earner.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.


Yep greed buggers. Share the money with grass roots footy FFS. Fair enough however if they want to fly business class on long flights; should have had that a long time ago.
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Re: Is the AFLPA getting too greedy?

Postby Total Package on Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:00 pm

Crazy Dazz wrote:They believe that they bring the money in and are therefore deserving of obscene salaries, but I fundamentally disagree.
The money is not earned by the skills of the players.The AFL earns so much money because so many people love watching footy. The reality is that the AFL profits from the huge grass-roots popularity. If all Australians grew up playing Soccer, AFL would not even be a professional sport.


Obscene salaries in comparison to what though? NBA players on $20 mill a year? A nurse on $50,000 ? What constitutes obscene.

I'm of the opinion that the players deserve a fair share of the money they help bring into the AFL... in the same way that people within a company that do well and bring money into a company are also rewarded financially with bonuses.

I also don't think "The reality is that the AFL profits from the huge grass-roots popularity" is an accurate statement. Soccer participation in juniors outweighs AFL... and probably basketball does too. The AFL is what people care about. Not grass roots or even the WAFL.

I will personally never be for Socialism.
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Re: Is the AFLPA getting too greedy?

Postby Crazy Dazz on Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:59 pm

Total Package wrote:
Crazy Dazz wrote:They believe that they bring the money in and are therefore deserving of obscene salaries, but I fundamentally disagree.
The money is not earned by the skills of the players.The AFL earns so much money because so many people love watching footy. The reality is that the AFL profits from the huge grass-roots popularity. If all Australians grew up playing Soccer, AFL would not even be a professional sport.


Obscene salaries in comparison to what though? NBA players on $20 mill a year? A nurse on $50,000 ? What constitutes obscene.

I'm of the opinion that the players deserve a fair share of the money they help bring into the AFL... in the same way that people within a company that do well and bring money into a company are also rewarded financially with bonuses.

I also don't think "The reality is that the AFL profits from the huge grass-roots popularity" is an accurate statement. Soccer participation in juniors outweighs AFL... and probably basketball does too. The AFL is what people care about. Not grass roots or even the WAFL.

I will personally never be for Socialism.

Got nothing to do with socialism.
And if you need to cite America and the NBA as your example, then you've lost the plot.
In the general world, a person who is good at their job should earn a reward commensurate with that, because they provide a service people need.
If I need a wall built (to keep out the M______s) and Brickie A can build it faster, straighter, and neater, then he deserves to make more money.
My point, is that what drives the AFL's revenue is NOT the ability of players. If the AFL invited all the stars to Melbourne for a media thing, and they all got really bad food poisoning and couldn't play for weeks, the AFL's revenue would not be effected in any way.
The AFL's revenue is driven by people's love of the game. (That's what I mean by "grass-roots support.")If for some strange reason people stopped watching AFL in droves, that would impact their revenue.
The AFL gets money from Channel 7, because you and I sit in front of our TVs and watch footy. This comes from our love of footy as a whole, because we grew up kicking and watching footy. Which is why I believe the AFL needs to holistically support football.

Secondly, the AFL unashamedly poaches talent from "grass-roots football". Ergo, they have not only an obligation to support it, but its in their self-interest to do so.
Ultimately, I am looking forward to my seats in the new stadium. I don't want to take out a 3rd Mortgage to pay for them.

Furthermore we are already seeing a scenario whereby champion players are disproportionately rewarded. Excessive growth in the cap will only exacerbate that.

One of the most annoying aspects of free-agency (and even trading) is watching champion players get poached by clubs that are either rorting the system (Brisbane past, Sydney, GC, GWS) or are so stupid that they pay way over the odds for one or two players expecting them to be the Messiash.
Hence I am very much in favour of a Soft-Cap on individual salaries. Within the current Salary Cap, I'd set it at about $750~800k, and apply a 100% penalty for exceeding that.
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Re: Is the AFLPA getting too greedy?

Postby DALBY on Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:13 pm

I went to watch legends play the Scorchers at Aquinas 3 weeks ago and could not for the life of me understand why the crowd were cheering so much for Matthew Pavlich. Yes he is a star, legend of FFC, but that's where it should end. Lara, Ponting, Gilly and even Roy got know where near the amount they should have received. These guys were world class athletes, not just an AFL star. The mind boggles on how much the public love AFL players. I believe this is why they are greedy.
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