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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby MrWoollie on Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:30 pm

Mead wrote:I don't really like the way the stadium is somehow perfect fodder for bashing politicians from either side of the fence.

Personally, I think the government should look at an additional levy on casino based gambling (which is surely going to be making out like a bandit thanks to the location) to fund construction of transport links or subsidize parking.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Pinion King on Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:43 pm

Well, let the fun begin.

The hypothetical game is now a reality.

The pressure has been put on by the public and media to not put a cap on it.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Fat Side on Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 am

Fair Bump Play On wrote:
farmer joe wrote:Given I have to get there from down south I am acutely aware of the hassle that is likely to exist getting there (by the way the debacle of cancelling Row 8 only compounds the issue. History will show that to be one of the worst decisions by a government). But where there is a will, there will be a way and that should be the attitude the current government should be taking. Barnett may, or may not have, made a whole pile of mistakes but his commitment to infrastructure spend is one I applaud. We now have some chance that Perth will exist as a world class city. If McGowan and his advisors had any brains that would be finding positives and solutions and not taking shots about what has happened in the past.
I am excited and cant wait for the footy season to start.


And where is the current Government to get the money to fix Barnett's mistakes? It is already going to take the next 25 years to recover from the debt he left. Should this Government only focus of fixing his mistakes or should they be allowed to also try to achieve some of their agenda at the same time? Without selling us more down the S hole.


When a Govt gets itself into significant debt it is rarely, if ever, repaid. Look at the Feds; inherited about $280 billion in debt and now we are way over $500 billion. The federal budget deficit (money we borrow each year) is about the same as WAs total debt.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby FXD on Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:40 pm

Did anyone go to the stadium today? Thoughts?

I come from the Joondalup line, changing trains at Perth Underground to Perth is a minor inconvenience, probably about equal to the inconvenience from walking from Leederville to Subiaco Oval.

Stadium Station still looks like cheap tin sheds on the outside but walking through them they look nice.

Stadium is a stunner, great feeling of space inside from any level. The seats feel really close to the oval. When it’s full, the atmosphere will be amazing.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby HH on Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:23 pm

I went today. Took a bus in to the train station and then the express train to Perth Stadium. The journey was easy and smooth.

The stadium itself is impressive. Even from level 5 in the gods you have a good view. The Sky Bar with views back to the city and the river would be a great place to have a drink.

My own Captain’s Club seats are amazing - can’t wait for the season proper to start. I’m so pleased with our new seats.

Lots of toilets, food and beverage outlets everywhere. The layout reminded me a lot of Docklands. It’s so much nicer than tired old Subi.

Journey back felt longer as we had to walk around the platform we used for arrival to a platform further down the line for departure.

I give credit where credit’s due. Well done Colin Barnett for having the vision, courage and foresight to deliver this magnificent stadium for the people of Western Australia to enjoy. We have a world class stadium to call our own. It’s going to be fantastic!
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Mr Q on Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:24 pm

The stadium was awesome, as expected.

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- Toilets were good
- Access to the seats was good and looked like it would be quick.
- Food options (assuming most were behind all those rollerdoors) looked quick and efficient.
- The shorter length of the ground than Subi was even more obvious than I thought it might be.
- Seats were better, but then I've spend years in the three-tier, so I may not be entirely unbiased.
- Not one Carlton Mid sign. That has to be a huge plus anywhere.

On transport: The journey on the train today was great, sure. Let's just remember that it has absolutely no relationship to what it will be like when the crowd are all trying to get there at the same time. Today people were shuffled into cohorts at all sorts of different times spread over the whole day (I was there at 6.30pm for instance). At no point did this reflect the functioning of the transport options on a game day, particularly a big game day.

Mead wrote:Now that it is built, in terms of visual appeal, the location of the stadium is an absolute stunner. If you haven't yet, go for a walk or a run along past Claisebrook Cove or across the causeway at dawn or dusk. It is hard to put into words how good it looks,


I have to say one thing in response to this: I really, really, really don't give three fifths of a shit what a stadium looks like on the outside. I can't begin to say how little it matters. When I go to a stadium, I don't go to admire the architecture, I go to watch the event happening inside. The key external aspects are how easy it is to get there and get away. If I have to sit there for an hour looking at it, I'm going to be shitty regardless of whether or not it looks the part.

That's one of the reasons I really didn't like this location - it appears way to be style over substance (in terms of location). I suspect the stadium will operate fine, even well. It bloody well should for well over a billion dollars. But I still fear that transport is going to be an absolute disaster - hope I'm wrong, but I've got to look at them saying that the station can cope with 25,000 people/hour. Put 60,000 in there, and tell me that some people aren't going to be waiting over an hour - maybe even two - at the station to get on a train if that's true. Plus it means that people will have to be getting there very early to guarantee a reasonable arrival.

Anyway, Australia's most iconic stadium, the MCG, looks like a big concrete frog. And no one gives a shit.

Mead wrote:Unless anyone on this forum happens to have access to some specialised technical knowledge on the subject, I suspect that none of us, me included, really have any clue about how the transport system can cope with the stadium being there. But it is and they need to, and what any government minister worth his salt would be doing at this point would be banging the table and telling the PTA to come up with a plan, rather than presenting ridiculous options like not letting the full capacity in for events.


People who are saying "just fix it" probably are missing that we're talking more than three times as many people catching PT to this stadium - for a crowd of 35,000 - than we saw at Subiaco. Should it all prove a winner, and crowds go up to 50,000, we're talking more like four times as many. That's not a trivial adjustment. And it seems the only thing done to really cater for this was building a new station. What we needed were a couple more rail tunnels, and a whole lot more rolling stock. But I guess spending 5 billion on the stadium would have looked a little careless.

Oh, and for weekday events, sorry, but I'd have to back capping the size of the crowd if we can't get people there. The PTA's prime responsibility has to be getting people home from work, not to a special event.

The people with the requested specialised technical knowledge would be the PTA. And they're saying it can't be done - and have been saying so for a bloody long time.

Don't get me wrong - I really hope I'm wrong on this, because we now have this shiny new venue, which in itself is awesome, and I don't really want it wrecked by a failure to plan transportation properly.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Mr Q on Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:59 pm

I see they've bowed to pressure, and are now going to reduce capacity on the main Mandurah and Joondalup lines on that day.

If people have to squeeze into shortened trains, making it even more uncomfortable than normal - or be unable to board - for their trip home, this is going to go down like a giant turd.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Bigbird on Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:50 pm

Mr Q wrote:I see they've bowed to pressure, and are now going to reduce capacity on the main Mandurah and Joondalup lines on that day.

If people have to squeeze into shortened trains, making it even more uncomfortable than normal - or be unable to board - for their trip home, this is going to go down like a giant turd.


Wow...I can't see the logic in this. In addition to disrupting everyday commuters trying to get home from work (for Friday night games) - there will be a volume of supporters heading the other way and trying to get to the game.

It kind of reflects the short-sightedness of Government in general. Quick to prop something up, but complete disregard for the infrastructure needed to support it.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby domo_the_eagle on Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:20 am

When's this actually happening.

will be an interesting drive home from work, heading east along GFF.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Fat Side on Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:36 am

Bigbird wrote:
Mr Q wrote:I see they've bowed to pressure, and are now going to reduce capacity on the main Mandurah and Joondalup lines on that day.

If people have to squeeze into shortened trains, making it even more uncomfortable than normal - or be unable to board - for their trip home, this is going to go down like a giant turd.


Wow...I can't see the logic in this. In addition to disrupting everyday commuters trying to get home from work (for Friday night games) - there will be a volume of supporters heading the other way and trying to get to the game.

It kind of reflects the short-sightedness of Government in general. Quick to prop something up, but complete disregard for the infrastructure needed to support it.


The same has been happening at Subiaco for years.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Mr Q on Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:50 am

Fat Side wrote:
Bigbird wrote:
Mr Q wrote:I see they've bowed to pressure, and are now going to reduce capacity on the main Mandurah and Joondalup lines on that day.

If people have to squeeze into shortened trains, making it even more uncomfortable than normal - or be unable to board - for their trip home, this is going to go down like a giant turd.


Wow...I can't see the logic in this. In addition to disrupting everyday commuters trying to get home from work (for Friday night games) - there will be a volume of supporters heading the other way and trying to get to the game.

It kind of reflects the short-sightedness of Government in general. Quick to prop something up, but complete disregard for the infrastructure needed to support it.


The same has been happening at Subiaco for years.


No, all they've done is run a couple of extra trains as the shuttles. Which have had to cope with up to 14,000 people, not 40,000+. Notably they didn't run the direct trains from Mandurah pre-game on a weekday

They have not had to withdraw or reduce peak hour services to do this.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Fat Side on Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:51 pm

Mr Q wrote:
Fat Side wrote:
Bigbird wrote:
Wow...I can't see the logic in this. In addition to disrupting everyday commuters trying to get home from work (for Friday night games) - there will be a volume of supporters heading the other way and trying to get to the game.

It kind of reflects the short-sightedness of Government in general. Quick to prop something up, but complete disregard for the infrastructure needed to support it.


The same has been happening at Subiaco for years.


No, all they've done is run a couple of extra trains as the shuttles. Which have had to cope with up to 14,000 people, not 40,000+. Notably they didn't run the direct trains from Mandurah pre-game on a weekday

They have not had to withdraw or reduce peak hour services to do this.


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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Mr Q on Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:12 pm

Fat Side wrote:
Mr Q wrote:
Fat Side wrote:
The same has been happening at Subiaco for years.


No, all they've done is run a couple of extra trains as the shuttles. Which have had to cope with up to 14,000 people, not 40,000+. Notably they didn't run the direct trains from Mandurah pre-game on a weekday

They have not had to withdraw or reduce peak hour services to do this.


Once the bridge is in place, the issue will be resolved.


You have a lot more faith in this bridge than I do.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby Mead on Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:07 pm

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Mead wrote:Now that it is built, in terms of visual appeal, the location of the stadium is an absolute stunner. If you haven't yet, go for a walk or a run along past Claisebrook Cove or across the causeway at dawn or dusk. It is hard to put into words how good it looks,


I have to say one thing in response to this: I really, really, really don't give three fifths of a shit what a stadium looks like on the outside. I can't begin to say how little it matters. When I go to a stadium, I don't go to admire the architecture, I go to watch the event happening inside. The key external aspects are how easy it is to get there and get away. If I have to sit there for an hour looking at it, I'm going to be shitty regardless of whether or not it looks the part.

That's one of the reasons I really didn't like this location - it appears way to be style over substance (in terms of location). I suspect the stadium will operate fine, even well. It bloody well should for well over a billion dollars. But I still fear that transport is going to be an absolute disaster - hope I'm wrong, but I've got to look at them saying that the station can cope with 25,000 people/hour. Put 60,000 in there, and tell me that some people aren't going to be waiting over an hour - maybe even two - at the station to get on a train if that's true. Plus it means that people will have to be getting there very early to guarantee a reasonable arrival.

Anyway, Australia's most iconic stadium, the MCG, looks like a big concrete frog. And no one gives a shit.


Interesting take on it.

I guess it really comes down to what government is trying to get for its money- and I think it is plainly not just about ensuring football supporters have a good day at the footy, although obviously that is everyone on here's priority.

Luxury infrastructure projects like stadiums are never going to directly benefit the economy the same way a port or a railway or a freeway might. The potential flow-on benefits are much more airy fairy and intangible in terms of the effect they have on a city's profile and image, capacity to attract major sporting events, etc.

Using the MCG as the example, its not just a good place to watch the football (actually imo it has a very high proportion of not very good seats), its in a location which perfectly showcases Melbourne- footage of big events there almost always includes people trooping through Federation square and across the railway, the nearby CBD, the Yarra, etc etc etc. So every time a pom or an Indian watches cricket they're getting sold not just the 'G' but Melbourne as a city, just like we all are when we grew up watching football. Which is why if you took a straw poll on here I suspect you'd find that the first time people travelled interstate to watch a game it is almost inevitably to the MCG, because it sort of creates a visual imprint for TV audiences of Melbourne in the way suburban stadiums simply can't- I guess that is exactly what people mean when they describe something as iconic.

So the idea is the same here, there is not going to be a game televised at the perth stadium which doesn't immediately mention the swan river, and there'll be all the same pre-game shots of people trooping across the bridge etc etc, so what TV spectators will get is a visual imprint of Perth and something which might on some level coax visitors here. You don't have to like that idea but it is why building a major landmark in a nondescript suburb like Subiaco or (ha!) Cockburn doesn't make a lot of sense. Like I said, that might not be the #1 priority of football going public, but at the end of the day most taxpayers aren't football going public, and if you're going to shell a cool billion out on a building most Western Australians won't actually regularly use, it makes sense to try and do it in a way which will generally benefit the State. Bluntly, if you are going to spend that kind of money on a building which is literally just for fun, it really does need to have way more style than substance, because the only economic benefits flow from the style, not the substance of making a minute number of regular football goers happy.

On the transport side of things, my wildly uninformed prediction is everything will be absolutely fine after 4-6 weeks, because people will just adapt and sort it out for themselves. To put things in perspective, it was a 1.6km hilly walk along streets from the Leederville Train Station to Subi- it is about 1.8km on a completely flat riverside path from the Victoria Park interchange, with footbridge it will be about the same from East Perth station, hell its only 4.5km from Esplanade station if people are feeling really adventurous. If people can't or won't walk I suspect a lot will just street park a few km away (eg in East Perth or Vic Park) and uber the last leg. In terms of weeknight fixtures,for those of us who work in the city its going to be far better- 5 minute free bus ride down the terrace, 15 minute chilled out walk through nice scenery and you're there.
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Re: The Everlasting Stadium Thread.

Postby HH on Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:23 pm

Took the shuttle bus into Perth Stadium today from the Elizabeth Quay station. Absolutely easy and seamless experience.
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