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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby WCE Booka 89 on Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:35 pm

Pinion King wrote:http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-21/best-22-how-your-club-could-line-up-in-2018
B: Brad Sheppard, Tom Barrass, Jackson Nelson
HB: Liam Duggan, Jeremy McGovern, Shannon Hurn
C: Lewis Jetta, Elliot Yeo, Andrew Gaff
HF: Mark LeCras, Jack Darling, Jack Redden
F: Willie Rioli, Josh Kennedy, Jamie Cripps
R: Nic Naitanui, Luke Shuey, Dom Sheed
INT: Nathan Vardy, Brendon Ah Chee, Daniel Venables, Mark Hutchings

NOTES: Ex-Power onballer Ah Chee should be close to West Coast's best team next year, but balancing the number of inside midfielders will be key with Redden, Hutchings and Sheed playing similar roles. Yeo and Duggan could also be shifted into the engine room. The Eagles need to invest in players with pace at this year's draft and will also hope Shuey clone Venables comes on next year with an injury-free run. Rioli helps solve the crumbing forward problem if he can get fitter over pre-season and stay on the park. Mackenzie's late-season form suggests he will could easily remain in the back six, while Lycett and Vardy are set to battle for the No.2 ruck role.

REMAINING SENIOR LIST: Matthew Allen, Tom Cole, Josh Hill, Mark Hutchings, Malcolm Karpany, Tom Lamb, Scott Lycett, Eric Mackenzie, Chris Masten, Kurt Mutimer, Luke Partington, Josh Rotham, Will Schofield, Jake Waterman, Sharrod Wellingham

REMAINING ROOKIE LIST: Tarir Bayok, Tom Gorter, Fraser McInnes, Jordan Snadden, Francis Watson


I think I would probably have Lycett over Vardy. Naitanui just wont be able to play big minutes next season and I'd like to see him used more as a Forward that rucks than a ruck who goes forward, so Lycett to get the starting ruck gig with Naitanui his back up.

With the rise of Rioli and Karpany hopefully that will put pressure on both LeCras spot and Jettas.

Also hope to see Yeo, Shuey and Venables rotate through the forward line, which means that LeCras and Cripps will be under pressure to perform as there won't be many forward positions available.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Perrythegreat on Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:55 pm

Tough one this year. Years gone past it was a bit easier.

Fwd: Rioli Kennedy Cripps
H/fwd: LeCras Darling Duggan
Cen: Gaff Redden Jetta
H/Back: Yeo McGovern Shepp
F/B: Hurn McKenzie Nelson

Foll: NN, Sheed, Shuey
I/C: Lycett, Ah Chee, Hutchings, Barrass

A lot of unknown quantities / not consistent there (Rioli, Duggan, Nelson, Ah Chee, Sheed, Barrass, Redden).

Who I've left out and why:

Masten - not sure. We've just got to get use to the fact he is a squad player, at best. To weak to be inside/tagger, not quick enough to be outside. Link player? Can't kick far enough. Just think he didnt develop like we had hoped.
Wellingham - not even sure he'll be on the list. I like him, but needs to get back to 2015 form. Not sure he can. Needs to play simple balls, not try the 50m worm burner
Venables - just havent seen him play.
Vardy - prefer Lycett. Needs to get more involved in the game than 8d, 20HOs. When he is near the ball, he looks very good.
Partington - not the finished product yet, some encouraging signs.
Cole - just unlucky, has looked good when I've seen him play. Could be a big improver.
Schofield - depth player in case McG, EMac or Barrass go down. 4th option for me.
Hill - Time to delist. Karmpany, Rioli, plus LeCras and Cripps and hopefully Liam Ryan means we are ok here.
Karpany - I've liked the look of him, but needs to get more of it. Young, so interested to see how 2018 goes for him, could be the break out season (probably needs to be the break out season)
McInness - surprised we kept him. Must be ruck back up in case NN and Lycett have complications.

There are others that I've missed out on, but they are too young or unknown to warrant a statement really (Watreman, Watson, Mutimer, Allen, Rotham, Gorter, Snaddan etc).

Looking at our squad, I'm downgrading my expectations to 7 - 12th. Cant see this team winning the flag anytime soon. Hope I'm wrong.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Pinion King on Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:53 pm

What the hell happened to Duggan? :shock:
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Clarke Markx Goalz on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:21 am

From afl.com
B: Brad Sheppard, Tom Barrass, Jackson Nelson
HB: Liam Duggan, Jeremy McGovern, Shannon Hurn
C: Lewis Jetta, Elliot Yeo, Andrew Gaff
HF: Mark LeCras, Jack Darling, Jack Redden
F: Liam Ryan, Josh Kennedy, Jamie Cripps
Foll: Nic Naitanui, Luke Shuey, Dom Sheed
I/C: Nathan Vardy, Brendon Ah Chee, Daniel Venables, Mark Hutchings


Not a lot of defensive midfielders. I think Redden or Hutchings will need to go through themiddle so that someone actually lays tackles. Unless Sheed has been working on it.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby domo_the_eagle on Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:34 am

Hopefully rioli can eventually replace cripps at some stage during the season.

The only reason i would consider playing 2 ruckmen is that nicnat wont be able to ruck even 70% of game time. Otherwise id replace that second ruck with another mid.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Pinion King on Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:08 pm

Interesting.

We have gone from the oldest list in the AFL to the 2nd youngest. Only the Dogs are younger.

We now only have 8 recycled players.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Clarke Markx Goalz on Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:53 pm

Pinion King wrote:Interesting.

We have gone from the oldest list in the AFL to the 2nd youngest. Only the Dogs are younger.

We now only have 8 recycled players.

Where are you getting your information from?

According to the Afl app we have the 11th oldest. Right above the dogs and tigers, the last two premiers. We have the most players who have yet to debut with 16.

I was thinking about the midfield and watching the stopages from the port game in slow motion. We seem to have too many seagulls and not enough players that get the ball ortackle.
Partington was particularly bad, standing behind Priddis or on another occasion watching boak go for the ball then watching Priddis tackle him. Redden does a lot of blocking but was ineffective against Ebert or Grey. Hopefully some of the kids have some hunger for the ball or we are stuffed without Priddis or Mitchell. Teams will know that if you block Shuey, no one else will go for the pill.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Clarke Markx Goalz on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:11 pm

Spots up for grabs.
Some roles in the team are Clearly up for grabs in the best 22 and we'll have to see how preseason goes, but I'm bored and I'll have a look. I left the name of players I thought were a lock and just wrote a description of spots I thought a few players could do.

B: Brad Sheppard, traditional full back role (Tom Barrass or Emac), play on any size running back (Schofield or Jackson Nelson)
HB: Liam Duggan, Jeremy McGovern, Shannon Hurn
C: Lewis Jetta, centre, Andrew Gaff
HF: markingforward. Jack Darling, attacking mid.
F: crumbing forward, Josh Kennedy, Defensive forward
Foll: Nic Naitanui, Luke Shuey, defensive midfielder/tackler
I/C: Elliot Yeo, tagger, part time ruck/forward, spare midfielder with a tank.

So that gives ten spots in the team. The spine looks great and the defense is solid, but just need a player or nine to make a mark. I also have Yeo on the bench rather than the centre as he's more a utility that plays where ever he's needed. Usually a kick behind or in front of the ball so he can win a contested possession. I think cripps also has a role as a fast breaking player able to run the length of the field, so should keep his spot.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Pinion King on Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:04 pm

Clarke Markx Goalz wrote:
Pinion King wrote:Interesting.

We have gone from the oldest list in the AFL to the 2nd youngest. Only the Dogs are younger.

We now only have 8 recycled players.

Where are you getting your information from?

According to the Afl app we have the 11th oldest. Right above the dogs and tigers, the last two premiers. We have the most players who have yet to debut with 16.

Shite, my bad. I didn't pick up that the list was in the order of club not age. That will teach me to not try and read when I am half asleep. :D
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Fat Side on Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:35 pm

BK: Nelson Mackenzie Barrass
HB: Sheppard McGovern Hurn
MD: Masten Redden Gaff
HF: Waterman Darling LeCras
FD: Ryan Kennedy Rioli
FL: Naitanui Shuey Yeo
INT: Venables Sheed Vardy Partington
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby penrith eagle on Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:44 pm

Fat Side wrote:BK: Nelson Mackenzie Barrass
HB: Sheppard McGovern Hurn
MD: Masten Redden Gaff
HF: Waterman Darling LeCras
FD: Ryan Kennedy Rioli
FL: Naitanui Shuey Yeo
INT: Venables Sheed Vardy Partington



The forward line looks exciting good young players .....but I am afraid that midfield is too damn slow....

Masten....Redden Gaff....plod plod plod ....... Will Yeo play in the midfield full time next year ???

I really really really hope Venables turns into a gun...because seriously the team will go nowhere in the next few years unless we unearth a top 10 midfield gun with pace to burn
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Pinion King on Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:53 pm

penrith eagle wrote:I really really really hope Venables turns into a gun...because seriously the team will go nowhere in the next few years unless we unearth a top 10 midfield gun with pace to burn

I have hopes for Petruccelle as well. He is a bit raw but he has potential to become anything. Simpson has already flagged him for a spot on the wing.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Fat Side on Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:33 am

penrith eagle wrote:
Fat Side wrote:BK: Nelson Mackenzie Barrass
HB: Sheppard McGovern Hurn
MD: Masten Redden Gaff
HF: Waterman Darling LeCras
FD: Ryan Kennedy Rioli
FL: Naitanui Shuey Yeo
INT: Venables Sheed Vardy Partington



The forward line looks exciting good young players .....but I am afraid that midfield is too damn slow....

Masten....Redden Gaff....plod plod plod ....... Will Yeo play in the midfield full time next year ???

I really really really hope Venables turns into a gun...because seriously the team will go nowhere in the next few years unless we unearth a top 10 midfield gun with pace to burn


We've got Shuey, Venables and Yeo in the middle. I think Simpson wants to play Petruccelle up forward with Ryan and add pace up there. I left out Cripps who will hopefully regain form and confidence in 2018
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby domo_the_eagle on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:36 am

Fat Side wrote:
penrith eagle wrote:
Fat Side wrote:BK: Nelson Mackenzie Barrass
HB: Sheppard McGovern Hurn
MD: Masten Redden Gaff
HF: Waterman Darling LeCras
FD: Ryan Kennedy Rioli
FL: Naitanui Shuey Yeo
INT: Venables Sheed Vardy Partington



The forward line looks exciting good young players .....but I am afraid that midfield is too damn slow....

Masten....Redden Gaff....plod plod plod ....... Will Yeo play in the midfield full time next year ???

I really really really hope Venables turns into a gun...because seriously the team will go nowhere in the next few years unless we unearth a top 10 midfield gun with pace to burn


We've got Shuey, Venables and Yeo in the middle. I think Simpson wants to play Petruccelle up forward with Ryan and add pace up there. I left out Cripps who will hopefully regain form and confidence in 2018


That may be the best 22 come the end of the year, i think at the start of the year we will see lecras in for rioli/ryan and a toss up between Lycett/Vardy. 3 defensive talls will be dependent on the opposition but other than that, this starting 22 is thereabouts.

Cripps of 2015 is certainly best 22. Was this year just a bit of a downer? or just following the general performance curve and is beginning to slide.
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Re: 2018 Best 22

Postby Fat Side on Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:01 am

domo_the_eagle wrote:That may be the best 22 come the end of the year, i think at the start of the year we will see lecras in for rioli/ryan and a toss up between Lycett/Vardy. 3 defensive talls will be dependent on the opposition but other than that, this starting 22 is thereabouts.

Cripps of 2015 is certainly best 22. Was this year just a bit of a downer? or just following the general performance curve and is beginning to slide.


Cripps is a confidence player and lacked consistency this year. He is a better player than his 2017 performances. Hopefully he finds form and has a real impact.

The WCE will be playing a lot of youngsters in 2018. I think it is part of their two year plan to refresh the list and have a crack in 2019-20 while JK is still going strong. Barring injury (or poor form) I think we will see a lot of Nelson, Venables, Rioli, Partington, Waterman, Ah Chee, Karpany, Cole and Mutimer. We will see debuts from Venables, Rioli, Waterman, Ryan, Ainsworth, Petruccelle and Olango.

Jetta, LeCras, Cripps and Masten will have to play at a consistently high standard to get regular games. Jetta's contract is up at the end of the year and we may target that to free up more quids for Yeo, Gaff and McGovern re-signings and possibly a top free agency selection. I believe we should throw the kitchen sink at Tom Lynch (Suns) to get him here as a free agent.

The focus will be fast-track development more so than wins and losses.
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