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Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby Bodhi on Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:24 pm

gus3232 wrote:See, I would dispute this.

If you look at some of the other clubs there have been quite a number of young players who are having breakout first or second years, even some having breakout first games, Silvagni , Wiley Buzza, Hipwood just to name a few. It is definitely the year for clubs playing youth..a lot of it.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby Fat Side on Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:29 pm

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WCE06 wrote:They are driving a bog average aging list straight over the edge of a cliff when 10 senior players all retire at the same time and no development in those below. Fuck me we used to laugh at Ross Lying doing exactly the same thing to St Kilda.


See, I would dispute this.

This season, games have been pumped into Sheed (now 51 games), Duggan (37), Nelson (27 due to injuries), Lycett (still has only played 50), Cole (5) and Karpany (5, would still be in if not injured). Even McGovern has only played 70. The majority of rookies don't start showing real progress until the 40-50 game range. If you are lucky, you might get it before then. If it is a freak rookie like Judd was, then it's right away.

Venables got hurt at the wrong time and poor old Waterman and Rioli have been injured most of 2017. Lamb has been in terribly inconsistent form, but I will concede that Partington should have had a run by now. I am looking forward to seeing all of them play.

You can't play all of the young blokes at the same time, for a variety of reasons.


Who are the ten? The oldest players are:

Mitchell
Petrie
Priddis
JK
Hurn
LeCras
Butler
Mackenzie
Giles
Wellingham

The remaining 12 (22 run out) inexperienced players that will be run off the cliff are:

Schofield (160), Redden (154), Jetta (147), Shuey (148), Gaff (147), NN (146), Darling (140), Sheppard (120), Yeo (100), Cripps (110), McGovern (70), Sheed (51), Emergencies - Lycett (50), Vardy (40), Duggan (37), Nelson (27), Barrass (25), McInnes (11), Tunbridge (9), Cole (5), Karpany (5), Mutimer (4). Then there is a list of players yet to debut. For the record I left out Masten/Hill because apparently nobody would pick them. Even without them we could lose the oldest 10 players and still field a full team without debuting a player.

If that 10 retired at the end of this year, it is crystal clear that we would plummet to the bottom. No depth at all.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby farmer joe on Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:33 pm

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farmer joe wrote:Booka. I think gus has a point. Remember that the majority of the current seated membership base is elderly. As long as the team is "competitive" they we keep going along as they always have. They are the ones who believe the bs spin put out by Gary Stocks and much of what the club does is about keeping them satisfied.


This i agree with, an "average club" for and "average joe" type of presentation. Gone are the heady years of some Rebel rousers who could play out of their skins and scare the shit out of opposition. It has all become about the money and family friendly atmosphere. Only need to look at the Facebook pages of players with their children. Now i am not saying that is wrong but it ain't going to win them any Premierships either. So the club has gone the other way from the 2006 players and are they recruiting with that in mind? Hope we find a middle way soon, that blend of smooth players (squeaky clean) and some volatile players (hard nuts) as we will implode if we don't. I also am a conspiracy theorist so i don't know if my opinion carry's any weight.

I have long argued that Trevor Nisbett has had the easiest job in the world. He gets made out to be some guru type but his business model has been built around keeping the oldies happy.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby farmer joe on Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:36 pm

Fat Side wrote:If that 10 retired at the end of this year, it is crystal clear that we would plummet to the bottom. No depth at all.

I would take that over finishing 8-12. 8-12 is a complete waste of a year imo. Though I am aware that your thoughts are different.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby Fat Side on Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:45 pm

farmer joe wrote:
Fat Side wrote:If that 10 retired at the end of this year, it is crystal clear that we would plummet to the bottom. No depth at all.

I would take that over finishing 8-12. 8-12 is a complete waste of a year imo. Though I am aware that your thoughts are different.


I was being facetious.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby gus3232 on Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:49 pm

Back on topic for a minute...Lycett has withdrawn from Sunday! Argh!
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby domo_the_eagle on Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:18 pm

Lets just call it a day and come back next year. :shock:
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby Fat Side on Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:20 pm

gus3232 wrote:Back on topic for a minute...Lycett has withdrawn from Sunday! Argh!


I guess that means that Petrie gets a reprieve
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby domo_the_eagle on Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:21 pm

IN: Schofield, Kennedy, Nelson, Masten
OUT: Lycett, Karpany, Wellingham, McKenzie

Shaking my head with the Masten inclusion. WCE hierarchy must be mad as the definition of madness is doing the same shit over and over again yet expecting a different outcome.

What did i tell you regarding Lycett, bound to break down sooner or later with another injury.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby domo_the_eagle on Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:22 pm

Fat Side wrote:
gus3232 wrote:Back on topic for a minute...Lycett has withdrawn from Sunday! Argh!


I guess that means that Petrie gets a reprieve


if you take age out of the question, petrie earns his spot over some other players.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby MrWoollie on Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:10 pm

gus3232 wrote:As for the selections, I think it's time we just faced the fact that our team list is plain average with a couple of elite stars (NN and JK).

They are clearly picking a team that they think will win the coming weekend's match. I also would like to see more of our rookies, but time will see to that. I realise we are in the "MUST HAVE EVERYTHING NOW" era, but please, show some patience.


You make a couple of points here that end up being slightly at odds. We have the average list but patience is for the kids, not the old guys who should know what they are doing.

You are right, our list is plain average with a couple of elites. I would add McGovern and Yeo as possible, even likely, to get there. We also have some pretty solid upper mid tier guys like Sheppard, Shuey and Gaff to name a couple.
What annoys and frustrates a lot of people (and not just on here) is that we have a bunch of guys who are, at best, on the downhill slide, at worst, have fallen off a cliff, never to return.
Mark LeCras and Matt Priddis are two of my favorites who used to be elite but are just not performing at even mid tier level except in short bursts. Chris Masten was a solid if not spectacular player who could run all day and be effective by weight rather than quality of possession. Now the quantity has dropped and what quality there was is rarely seen. Josh Hill was always a bit in and out but was a lot better here than at the Dogs. No longer. He is now just a junk time, lost cause specialist. Cripps was a tackling machine who was good for a goal or two every week. Now poor on both counts. Petrie tries hard and has had a couple of ok games, but he is hardly the future and has he given us anything McInnes wouldn't have done? Wellingham was a a dasher but seems to have lost his spark. I think he has something left but needs some sort of a kick up the backside to find it again. Butler was a super brave trojan who has to be admired for courage and perseverance in the face of setback after setback, but is now just a wounded traffic cone.

The two important words parts of this are the words 'was' and 'is now'. The selectors seem only to see the 'was' in these players and are ignoring the 'is now'. I still shake my head at Redden playing his best game for the club without Priddis and then they drop him for Priddis the next week who has a shit game and then they leave it the same this week.

You then ask for patience in a 'now' world. Fair enough, but for these guys it is a case of 'now or never'. They are at the very end of their careers and there is no time left for patience. These are the guys who should be giving it one last hurrah, playing consistent if reduced level football, but they aren't. If we had been playing guys like Lamb and Partington etc., then I would expect inconsistency and make allowances for it, i.e. show some patience.

I don't want everything now, but I do want to move forward, see light at the end of the tunnel and so on. I would rather that at the end of this year we had 5-10 games into a bunch of our kids and had a bit of a chance to see if they show signs of stepping up to the next level rather than rewarding mediocrity and giving undeserved recalls to guys on their last legs. I don't think we have any instant stars (like Judd) waiting in the wings but giving these guys a run of games would, I think, be beneficial for both them and the club.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby lazzas on Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:06 pm

domo_the_eagle wrote:IN: Schofield, Kennedy, Nelson, Masten
OUT: Lycett, Karpany, Wellingham, McKenzie

Shaking my head with the Masten inclusion. WCE hierarchy must be mad as the definition of madness is doing the same shit over and over again yet expecting a different outcome.

What did i tell you regarding Lycett, bound to break down sooner or later with another injury.



Yeah unless JK kicks a bag were screwed the turnover King Masten will gift freo plenty. Awful
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby Fat Side on Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:20 pm

lazzas wrote:
domo_the_eagle wrote:IN: Schofield, Kennedy, Nelson, Masten
OUT: Lycett, Karpany, Wellingham, McKenzie

Shaking my head with the Masten inclusion. WCE hierarchy must be mad as the definition of madness is doing the same shit over and over again yet expecting a different outcome.

What did i tell you regarding Lycett, bound to break down sooner or later with another injury.



Yeah unless JK kicks a bag were screwed the turnover King Masten will gift freo plenty. Awful


If JK doesn't kick a bag he may as well pack his bags. If he doesn't kick six or more i'll be back here on Monday saying "what did I tell you." Then you could rightly question my bladder control.
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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby Total Package on Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:27 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:



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Re: Round 17: WESTERN DERBY

Postby Bodhi on Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:43 pm

Total Package wrote:


Truth right there :lol: :lol: :lol:
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