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The Midfield part XXVII

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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby Fat Side on Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:23 am

Clarke Markx Goalz wrote:Sam Mitchell plays behind the ball, like a quarter back. Doesn't run, doesn't score goals. Distributes cleanly from the stoppage. Might keep Butler out. But we don't have his sort of player on the side. Leccras can play closer to goal and Masten is a running machine.


Mitchell plays the traditional centreman role. He extracts the ball and distributes it to outside players or forwards leading high up the ground. He predominantly remains between the two 50m arcs. He doesn't take contested marks much other than being the go-to man through the middle. He is essentially a niche player. The positive is that he is about as good a player as you get in that role. He is difficult to compare with other players, certainly not Masten.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby farmer joe on Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:29 am

Fat Side wrote:
Clarke Markx Goalz wrote:Sam Mitchell plays behind the ball, like a quarter back. Doesn't run, doesn't score goals. Distributes cleanly from the stoppage. Might keep Butler out. But we don't have his sort of player on the side. Leccras can play closer to goal and Masten is a running machine.


Mitchell plays the traditional centreman role. He extracts the ball and distributes it to outside players or forwards leading high up the ground. He predominantly remains between the two 50m arcs. He doesn't take contested marks much other than being the go-to man through the middle. He is essentially a niche player. The positive is that he is about as good a player as you get in that role. He is difficult to compare with other players, certainly not Masten.

I am not sure of how you have used niche but Sam Mitchell is what we need. A clearance machine with high level disposal skills. Like Priddis but only better and more effective at hurting the opposition. I stumbled on this article from Campbell Brown that spells out his thoughts on where Mitchell stands on the all time list.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/afl/201 ... chell-300/
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby Pinion King on Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:04 pm

Interesting something Sam said in a TV interview. We have a good young up and coming group that could do with an older head around.

Hit the nail on the head for one of our issues.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby domo_the_eagle on Thu May 25, 2017 7:46 am

**Bump**
Our current midfield crop, referenced from footywire.

Mitchell
Gaff
Sheed
Masten
Redden
Priddis
Shuey
Duggan
Hutchings
Murtimer
Yeo (DPP)
Jetta (DPP)

Not played enough games to include in this assessment.
Karpany (DPP)
Venebles (DPP)
Partington

Some issues with this midfield group:
1) The group, as a collective would rank bottom 6.

2) No player on this list that has a bit of mongrel in them, that can stand up when the game is not being played on our terms and swing the game back in our favour through pure will. Did anyone see Taylor Adams after half time against the Hawks? Or Joel Selwood on numerous occasions drag his team over the line through pure want and will? You would expect someone who's would be considered a leader in priddis to stand up.

3) We only have 2 players who can get the ball in the inside and are capable of bursting through congestion in Shuey and Yeo. Venebles looks of the Shuey mould so hopefully he can develop quick.

4) 9/12 players who are one paced. This isnt an issue when we are winning the midfield contest and the forwards are kicking goals but its its a problem when the opposing midfield are better quality and can move the ball quick and precise.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby WCE06 on Thu May 25, 2017 8:45 am

That's a good but sad summation. Damning from a list management perspective that we can have so many one dimensional midfielders. They've only had 10 years to do something about it.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby Total Package on Thu May 25, 2017 12:44 pm

Gaff
Sheed
Masten
Redden
Priddis
Duggan
Hutchings

All the same type of vanilla midfielders. Can run all day... but have absolutely no leg speed. We were obsessed with drafting long distance runners because someone with a ruler figured out that Subiaco was one of the biggest grounds in the AFL.

The game changed from man on man of the early to mid 2000's where the interchange bench was for the average players to sit on and where ability to gun run for an entire game did matter... to the zone style we have today where you are defending an area not an opponent and don't need to run anywhere near as far.... and the interchange is used to make sure everyone is able to run out games.

We need players that can break the lines and none of those above can do that.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby The Magenius on Mon May 29, 2017 4:34 pm

Total Package wrote:Gaff
Sheed
Masten
Redden
Priddis
Duggan
Hutchings

All the same type of vanilla midfielders. Can run all day... but have absolutely no leg speed. We were obsessed with drafting long distance runners because someone with a ruler figured out that Subiaco was one of the biggest grounds in the AFL.

The game changed from man on man of the early to mid 2000's where the interchange bench was for the average players to sit on and where ability to gun run for an entire game did matter... to the zone style we have today where you are defending an area not an opponent and don't need to run anywhere near as far.... and the interchange is used to make sure everyone is able to run out games.

We need players that can break the lines and none of those above can do that.


Bang on the money as usual. Which is why Shuey was such a terrible out for us and why Jetta had to play and he played brilliantly.

We can't carry this many slow inside players in the one team, based on the game against GWS Masten was clearly the worst of the lot and should in all fairness be dropped. His pressure was poor and he provided bugger all in terms of contested possessions, inside 50's or even meters gained with his much-vaunted beep test running abilities.
If he doesn't get dropped after Sunday it is fair to assume he will never be dropped and is on the very large undroppable list Simmo has created.

Masten is in his prime years as a footballer and playing some of the worst football of his career. Enough is enough.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby domo_the_eagle on Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:55 am

**another bump**

We seemed to make progress/positive changes the last month, but have reverted back to old ways.

Simmo's correct, the only time the slow midfield is brought up is when we lose. SIMMO its the main reason why we lost most games.

The WAFL bye couldn't come at a worse time.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby farmer joe on Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:33 am

domo_the_eagle wrote:**another bump**

We seemed to make progress/positive changes the last month, but have reverted back to old ways.

Simmo's correct, the only time the slow midfield is brought up is when we lose. SIMMO its the main reason why we lost most games.

The WAFL bye couldn't come at a worse time.

But is he? I really do wonder what control and ability to change and update the list he really has. You only have to look at the focus of the clubs marketing on NN (who decided to put him on our members cards when he was always going to struggle to get back) and an ageing, and declining, Priddis. The club as a whole has no youth focus?
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby domo_the_eagle on Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:31 am

domo_the_eagle wrote:**Bump**
Our current midfield crop, referenced from footywire.

Mitchell
Gaff
Sheed
Masten
Redden
Priddis
Shuey
Duggan
Hutchings
Murtimer
Yeo (DPP)
Jetta (DPP)

Not played enough games to include in this assessment.
Karpany (DPP)
Venebles (DPP)
Partington

Some issues with this midfield group:
1) The group, as a collective would rank bottom 6.

2) No player on this list that has a bit of mongrel in them, that can stand up when the game is not being played on our terms and swing the game back in our favour through pure will. Did anyone see Taylor Adams after half time against the Hawks? Or Joel Selwood on numerous occasions drag his team over the line through pure want and will? You would expect someone who's would be considered a leader in priddis to stand up.

3) We only have 2 players who can get the ball in the inside and are capable of bursting through congestion in Shuey and Yeo. Venebles looks of the Shuey mould so hopefully he can develop quick.

4) 9/12 players who are one paced. This isnt an issue when we are winning the midfield contest and the forwards are kicking goals but its its a problem when the opposing midfield are better quality and can move the ball quick and precise.


Not much has changed in 2.5 months, except i'm staggered at how soft our underbelly is.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby Streaker on Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:59 pm

Image

This pretty much sums up why our midfield hasn't developed.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... c0e1295527
Of the eight main midfielders the Eagles have rotated through the centre square this season, Dom Sheed is the only one who has increased his presence in the middle and that was natural after he missed most of last season with injury.

Even then, Sheed has been used there only marginally more often this season, with his centre bounce attendances jumping from 38 per cent in the games he played last season to 42 per cent this year.

So Priddis hasn’t really been pushed out of the midfield to give youngsters more opportunity.

Priddis, Luke Shuey, Jack Redden, Elliot Yeo, Andrew Gaff and Mark Hutchings have all had their time in the centre square reduced.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby domo_the_eagle on Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:08 pm

Basically playing mitchell has robbed midfield time away from developing players.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby Mead on Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:25 pm

Streaker wrote:Image

This pretty much sums up why our midfield hasn't developed.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... c0e1295527
Of the eight main midfielders the Eagles have rotated through the centre square this season, Dom Sheed is the only one who has increased his presence in the middle and that was natural after he missed most of last season with injury.

Even then, Sheed has been used there only marginally more often this season, with his centre bounce attendances jumping from 38 per cent in the games he played last season to 42 per cent this year.

So Priddis hasn’t really been pushed out of the midfield to give youngsters more opportunity.

Priddis, Luke Shuey, Jack Redden, Elliot Yeo, Andrew Gaff and Mark Hutchings have all had their time in the centre square reduced.


That is an exceptionally good statistical analysis by the Hun, perfectly nails why recruiting a very good player in the twilight of his career was a disastrous move in terms of development of the list. More than anything else, the anti-development approach to the exact part of our list which desperately needs development has made this a completely wasted year.

I'd just shrug and call it a bad decision if Simpson hadn't previously been close to Mitchell as his midfield coach at hawthorn- i'm sure at the time it was rationalised as being in everyone's interests, but if you were a young midfielder it would be infuriating to think that you're getting less of an opportunity thanks to a disastrous decision which happened to involve a sweet deal for one of Simpson's Melbourne mates.
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Re: The Midfield part XXVII

Postby domo_the_eagle on Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:11 pm

Whos gonna pay for such a kefuffle of list management and coaching strategies.

certainly not the boy's administration club.
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