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Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:56 am
by CouchPotato
farmer joe wrote:
domo_the_eagle wrote:Both players realise they would be competing for spots at the eagles and prefer to walk straight into a team at Freo (like hill, kersten, mccarthy).

You nailed it.


This is actually why I have a huge amount of respect for Redden. He came to a team with a depth of inside mids, knowing he would have to fight for his role. It probably didn't work out as he has expected just yet, but jeez that shows some willingness to improve.

Some blokes are just happy to get paid to play AFL football... others want genuine success at the level.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:30 am
by domo_the_eagle
CouchPotato wrote:
farmer joe wrote:
domo_the_eagle wrote:Both players realise they would be competing for spots at the eagles and prefer to walk straight into a team at Freo (like hill, kersten, mccarthy).

You nailed it.


This is actually why I have a huge amount of respect for Redden. He came to a team with a depth of inside mids, knowing he would have to fight for his role. It probably didn't work out as he has expected just yet, but jeez that shows some willingness to improve.

Some blokes are just happy to get paid to play AFL football... others want genuine success at the level.


Mate, i guarantee you Redden will more than step up in Priddis' role next year. By round 16 next year we will say that moving priddis on was in hindsight the right call.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:18 pm
by Mead
domo_the_eagle wrote:Mate, i guarantee you Redden will more than step up in Priddis' role next year. By round 16 next year we will say that moving priddis on was in hindsight the right call.


I think there is a lot of truth to that- Redden and Sheed have looked far better this year whenever either or both of Mitchell and Priddis have been kept out of the midfield.

Slowish inside extractors are about the least versatile
players on a list- there's not much they can do if they're not getting a regular gig in the centre square.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:04 pm
by CouchPotato
Mead wrote:
domo_the_eagle wrote:Mate, i guarantee you Redden will more than step up in Priddis' role next year. By round 16 next year we will say that moving priddis on was in hindsight the right call.


I think there is a lot of truth to that- Redden and Sheed have looked far better this year whenever either or both of Mitchell and Priddis have been kept out of the midfield.

Slowish inside extractors are about the least versatile
players on a list- there's not much they can do if they're not getting a regular gig in the centre square.


Agreed - the game has moved beyond the real slow 'tank' inside midfielder.

Watson (Ess), Thompson (Adelaide), Priddis are all of that body type, and all used to be highly valued in their teams and are all now retired.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:40 pm
by jourgo
CouchPotato wrote:Agreed - the game has moved beyond the real slow 'tank' inside midfielder.

Watson (Ess), Thompson (Adelaide), Priddis are all of that body type, and all used to be highly valued in their teams and are all now retired.


I don't think that's true at all. There is absolutely a place for bottom of the pack extractors. The three examples you've given are all at the end of their careers. If they were all mid-20s they'd still be highly valued.

Just my opinion.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:06 pm
by MrWoollie
Fat Side wrote:
MrWoollie wrote:What is it with players wanting to come back to WA of late? They all seem to want to go to and end up at the Muppets. McCarthy, Hill, Bennel, Hamling spring to mind.
Now they are talking Wilson (GWS) and Matera (GC). Both in the Muppet Mix.

We don't ever seem to be in the running anymore.

What I cannot understand is:
1. Why are we so unattractive to ex WA players?, and
2. Why would anyone want to play for that shit-stain club anyway?


We did trade for Kennedy, Wellingham, Cripps, Yeo and Jetta. Redden also chose to come here. I'm not sure what the issue is.

I was really looking at the recent and now years. Kennedy (if I remember) was somewhat reluctant to leave but was the 'steak knives' for Judd and was back in 2007. Wellingham was 2012, Cripps was 2012, Yeo 2013, Jetta was a player swap and either club was good enough to get him home over an 'I want to go specifically to...' type deal. Redden is the only one recently that wanted us specifically.

Bennel - Muppets or nothing, McCarthy (can see why he said Muppets with our forwards), Wilson and Matera aren't even mentioned as interested in us (Muppets or nothing). Add Mitch McGovern to the list, came down to stay with Adelaide or go to the Muppets. We were just dismissed again.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:51 pm
by Pinion King

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:17 pm
by MrWoollie
Pinion King wrote:https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/will-alex-fasolo-land-at-west-coast-or-freo-bc-5574629595001
It all depends on the price. Bidding war - no thanks. Third rounder - give him a crack.

We have to remember that recruiting mid career (age 25ish) players is a limited sum game.
1. You are only getting a player for 1/2 a career, so need to do it twice as often as drafting at 18.
2. You are buying at the peak of the market.
3. Except in desperate to move situations you need inducements, usually money or long contract.
4. You will have the player for 'the declining years' of his career.
5. Salary cap. Long contracts that include the declining years can be costly. Virtually all players are paid the most in the peak and post-peak years and less in the developing/pre-peak years, despite output in the pre-peak years at least matching that in the declining years.

The last thing you want is a list full of mid tier, declining, 27-30 year olds on good coin and years to run on the 5 year deal they were recruited on.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:00 am
by domo_the_eagle
MrWoollie wrote:
Pinion King wrote:https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/will-alex-fasolo-land-at-west-coast-or-freo-bc-5574629595001
It all depends on the price. Bidding war - no thanks. Third rounder - give him a crack.

We have to remember that recruiting mid career (age 25ish) players is a limited sum game.
1. You are only getting a player for 1/2 a career, so need to do it twice as often as drafting at 18.
2. You are buying at the peak of the market.
3. Except in desperate to move situations you need inducements, usually money or long contract.
4. You will have the player for 'the declining years' of his career.
5. Salary cap. Long contracts that include the declining years can be costly. Virtually all players are paid the most in the peak and post-peak years and less in the developing/pre-peak years, despite output in the pre-peak years at least matching that in the declining years.

The last thing you want is a list full of mid tier, declining, 27-30 year olds on good coin and years to run on the 5 year deal they were recruited on.


I generally agree with you but given FA there is every chance you will need to draft twice anyway. that 17 yo kid may want to exercise his FA right and leave after 8 years (is there a chance it may be reduced to 6?)

Fasolo for the right price would be a great addition, but i don't think that type of player should be high on West Coasts recruiting priorities.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:14 am
by Pinion King
Sounds like Kelly is staying with Giants.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:46 am
by Fat Side
domo_the_eagle wrote:
MrWoollie wrote:
Pinion King wrote:https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/will-alex-fasolo-land-at-west-coast-or-freo-bc-5574629595001
It all depends on the price. Bidding war - no thanks. Third rounder - give him a crack.

We have to remember that recruiting mid career (age 25ish) players is a limited sum game.
1. You are only getting a player for 1/2 a career, so need to do it twice as often as drafting at 18.
2. You are buying at the peak of the market.
3. Except in desperate to move situations you need inducements, usually money or long contract.
4. You will have the player for 'the declining years' of his career.
5. Salary cap. Long contracts that include the declining years can be costly. Virtually all players are paid the most in the peak and post-peak years and less in the developing/pre-peak years, despite output in the pre-peak years at least matching that in the declining years.

The last thing you want is a list full of mid tier, declining, 27-30 year olds on good coin and years to run on the 5 year deal they were recruited on.


I generally agree with you but given FA there is every chance you will need to draft twice anyway. that 17 yo kid may want to exercise his FA right and leave after 8 years (is there a chance it may be reduced to 6?)

Fasolo for the right price would be a great addition, but i don't think that type of player should be high on West Coasts recruiting priorities.


Fasolo is a better proposition than Brandon Matera. At 25 and 100 games you would get Fasolo as he heads into his peak years. Like everything else it will all depend on the price. Is he out of contract?

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:47 pm
by farmer joe
Fat Side wrote:Fasolo is a better proposition than Brandon Matera. At 25 and 100 games you would get Fasolo as he heads into his peak years. Like everything else it will all depend on the price. Is he out of contract?

I agree Fasolo > Matera but I think we should skip both.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:10 pm
by Fair Bump Play On
farmer joe wrote:
Fat Side wrote:Fasolo is a better proposition than Brandon Matera. At 25 and 100 games you would get Fasolo as he heads into his peak years. Like everything else it will all depend on the price. Is he out of contract?

I agree Fasolo > Matera but I think we should skip both.


Fasolo seems high risk given his issues but I'd be happy if we paid next to nothing, see if he can reinvent himself. The woods will make it too hard.

Matera should have come home to us years ago, now there is a question mark over him ever living up to early promise, again if he is very cheep.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:46 am
by Pinion King
Some talk that we are interested in Brendon Ah Chee. He is out of contract and wants a trade.

Re: Trade Targets 2017

PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:58 am
by Fat Side
Pinion King wrote:Some talk that we are interested in Brendon Ah Chee. He is out of contract and wants a trade.


If we are then we are crazy. He has been a fringe player at Port for years. Not what we need