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2017 Draft

Postby Streaker on Tue May 23, 2017 10:46 am

What doe we need?
What should be our priority?
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby MrWoollie on Tue May 23, 2017 3:51 pm

Streaker wrote:What doe we need?
What should be our priority?

Patrick Dangerfield clone.
Someone who can break lines, make space, has pace, hits targets, is rarely injured, rarely goes missing and over a long career averages over a goal a game from the midfield.
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby gus3232 on Tue May 23, 2017 4:31 pm

MrWoollie wrote:Patrick Dangerfield clone. Someone who can break lines, make space, has pace, hits targets, is rarely injured, rarely goes missing and over a long career averages over a goal a game from the midfield.


LOL no worries, plenty of those types around!

Seriously though, SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED SPEED, oh and a Dangerfield type, just like MrWoollie said!
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Hamburger on Tue May 23, 2017 5:55 pm

MrWoollie wrote:
Streaker wrote:What doe we need?
What should be our priority?

Patrick Dangerfield clone.
Someone who can break lines, make space, has pace, hits targets, is rarely injured, rarely goes missing and over a long career averages over a goal a game from the midfield.


It's not just speed....it's the combination of speed and power that makes players like Dangerfield, Bontempelli, Fyfe (before the broken leg), Martin and Patrick Cripps so valuable because they also win contested ball and bust through tackles.

We really don't have anyone in that category among the younger players on the list...apart perhaps from Yeo and I would not put him in the same class as those mentioned?

Among the older players...only NN.

So in my opinion we need someone of round 190-192 in height with very good skills on both sides of the body, excellent speed and capable of taking a good contested mark.
Our chances of getting someone like that with our probable draft picks this year given we will likely finish in the top 8 are effectively zero.
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Streaker on Tue May 23, 2017 6:27 pm

Hamburger wrote:
MrWoollie wrote:
Streaker wrote:What doe we need?
What should be our priority?

Patrick Dangerfield clone.
Someone who can break lines, make space, has pace, hits targets, is rarely injured, rarely goes missing and over a long career averages over a goal a game from the midfield.


It's not just speed....it's the combination of speed and power that makes players like Dangerfield, Bontempelli, Fyfe (before the broken leg), Martin and Patrick Cripps so valuable because they also win contested ball and bust through tackles.

We really don't have anyone in that category among the younger players on the list...apart perhaps from Yeo and I would not put him in the same class as those mentioned?

Among the older players...only NN.

So in my opinion we need someone of round 190-192 in height with very good skills on both sides of the body, excellent speed and capable of taking a good contested mark.
Our chances of getting someone like that with our probable draft picks this year given we will likely finish in the top 8 are effectively zero.


Problem is that we've had opportunity to draft Fyfe (2009, 20), Acres (2013, 19), Connor Blakely (2014, 34) , Patrick Cripps (2013, 13) and each year we've overlooked them.

This year there are at least 2 players that will fall to our 1st pick (providing we don't win the Premiership) and the reality is we'll probably overlook them.
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby MrWoollie on Wed May 24, 2017 12:50 am

Streaker wrote:Problem is that we've had opportunity to draft Fyfe (2009, 20), Acres (2013, 19), Connor Blakely (2014, 34) , Patrick Cripps (2013, 13) and each year we've overlooked them.

This year there are at least 2 players that will fall to our 1st pick (providing we don't win the Premiership) and the reality is we'll probably overlook them.

It is frustrating when spectators like us identify local players we think would be a good fit (Blakely, Powell-Pepper, Cripps) but they get overlooked for guys who languish in the WAFL without being given a run. No-one saw Fyfe as being as good as he was and even using hindsight, getting Sheppard at pick 7 was still a good outcome. In hindsight only Martin, Fyfe and Scully would probably rate as better, so getting the 4th best player at pick 7 is pretty good.

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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Streaker on Wed May 24, 2017 8:43 am

MrWoollie wrote:
Streaker wrote:Problem is that we've had opportunity to draft Fyfe (2009, 20), Acres (2013, 19), Connor Blakely (2014, 34) , Patrick Cripps (2013, 13) and each year we've overlooked them.

This year there are at least 2 players that will fall to our 1st pick (providing we don't win the Premiership) and the reality is we'll probably overlook them.

It is frustrating when spectators like us identify local players we think would be a good fit (Blakely, Powell-Pepper, Cripps) but they get overlooked for guys who languish in the WAFL without being given a run. No-one saw Fyfe as being as good as he was and even using hindsight, getting Sheppard at pick 7 was still a good outcome. In hindsight only Martin, Fyfe and Scully would probably rate as better, so getting the 4th best player at pick 7 is pretty good.

OK Streaker, you have called it, name 2 names (with a bit of background for us foreigners).



First one I'd like to see on our radar is South Australian Nathan Krueger, 194cm | 83kg.

He is a fast and agile player who can play practically everywhere on the ground. He has recently dominated a the Under 17 Futures trial game in SA. His running patterns remind me of Bontempelli. Won't have an instant impact and should be available at our 1st pick.



Next would be Noah Balta from the Calder Cannons, 194cm | 92kg

He possesses a rare combo of elite speed and agility for a tall player. His finish to the season in 2016 was outstanding and was factor in him being a late addition to the NAB AFL Academy’s Level Two intake. His speed too is elite with only Sandringham Dragons bottom-age twins Max and Ben King faster than Balta’s time of 2.9 seconds for a player over 193cm in the 20 metre sprint. His agility is ranked in the top five percentile, while his beep of 13.4 leaves an area of small improvement. His vertical leap ranks in the top dozen of the 2017 TAC Cup players, while his running jump off either leg is also impressive. Is being used in the ruck because of his leap.

Another would be South Australian Lachlan Pascoe 189cm | 90kg who plays as a defender in the Shannon Hurn mould but has the pace to work into the midfield later in his career.

We'll probably pick a ruckman or an inside mid around 184cm
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Streaker on Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:47 pm

1st Round I'd like either of these

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Coffield's mix of speed and size makes him a player plenty of recruiters are watching. The Northern Knights captain has probably done his best and most consistent work across half-back this year, but he can also move into the midfield and push forward to kick a goal, which he did for Metro against Western Australia in round two of the national carnival. He has the agility and pace to get things moving, and was close to best afield in Metro's final game when he had 29 disposals and seven marks against the Allies.

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POS: Midfielder, Ht 190cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 23/10/1999
From Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro

Vic Metro didn't select Constable in its first game of the carnival, but he rebounded well to feature prominently in its final three games. The tall midfielder averaged 26 disposals in the national under-18 championships, and was particularly important against Vic Country, when he gathered 31 touches, six marks and six inside-50s. Constable's height gives him an advantage over others, and he's adept at making the most of it around the stoppages to accumulate disposals.
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Fat Side on Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:50 pm

MrWoollie wrote:
Streaker wrote:Problem is that we've had opportunity to draft Fyfe (2009, 20), Acres (2013, 19), Connor Blakely (2014, 34) , Patrick Cripps (2013, 13) and each year we've overlooked them.

This year there are at least 2 players that will fall to our 1st pick (providing we don't win the Premiership) and the reality is we'll probably overlook them.

It is frustrating when spectators like us identify local players we think would be a good fit (Blakely, Powell-Pepper, Cripps) but they get overlooked for guys who languish in the WAFL without being given a run. No-one saw Fyfe as being as good as he was and even using hindsight, getting Sheppard at pick 7 was still a good outcome. In hindsight only Martin, Fyfe and Scully would probably rate as better, so getting the 4th best player at pick 7 is pretty good.

OK Streaker, you have called it, name 2 names (with a bit of background for us foreigners).


We did the right thing by not drafting Powell-Pepper. As much as he is a good emerging player, he plays inside. We needed outside pace and Venables is that. PP isn't.
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Streaker on Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:32 pm

Pick up some mature aged WAFL players. Surely they'd be better than what we've got.

Tim Kelly
Shane Nelson
Jonathon Marsh
Tyler Keitel
Bailey Banfield
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Fat Side on Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:33 am

Streaker wrote:Pick up some mature aged WAFL players. Surely they'd be better than what we've got.

Tim Kelly
Shane Nelson
Jonathon Marsh
Tyler Keitel
Bailey Banfield


I think we need to provided they're no older than 24. Kelly looks good, but what about Schloithe? Could he be another Menegola?

As I've mentioned before, we need to draft a young ruckman. Pinch hitting with KPFs and older, slow rucks hasn't worked. Last year was an opportunity to draft a good second tier ruckman that we could be developing this year. Although we have been caned in the ruck all year, at least we could be satisfied that we have a long term prospect developing. Are Scott Jones (EP) or Brock Higgins (SF) worth a look?
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Mr Q on Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:12 am

One of the problems with drafting a young WAFL ruck is what to do with them. We went down exactly this path with Sinkers, and when it turned out that he was actually not a bad player, he wanted - understandably - to get game time and was traded out.

Ultimately, if they're good enough to play, they'll want to, and while this year we could have found a place, typically we won't. If they're not, then we might as well keep going down the Vardy path.
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby Fat Side on Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:28 am

Mr Q wrote:One of the problems with drafting a young WAFL ruck is what to do with them. We went down exactly this path with Sinkers, and when it turned out that he was actually not a bad player, he wanted - understandably - to get game time and was traded out.

Ultimately, if they're good enough to play, they'll want to, and while this year we could have found a place, typically we won't. If they're not, then we might as well keep going down the Vardy path.


I'm hearing you, but we do need a good third tier ruck - a ruck that goes forward as opposed to a forward that can pinch hit. If Lycett and Naitanui are fit, both play. When one isn't fit, the new guy plays. Like with Cox pushing ahead of Gardiner and Lycett/Sinclair fighting it out, it is healthy competition. Opportunity is everything in this game.
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby aquila audax on Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:33 am

Mr Q wrote:One of the problems with drafting a young WAFL ruck is what to do with them. We went down exactly this path with Sinkers, and when it turned out that he was actually not a bad player, he wanted - understandably - to get game time and was traded out.

Ultimately, if they're good enough to play, they'll want to, and while this year we could have found a place, typically we won't. If they're not, then we might as well keep going down the Vardy path.



As I have said before we got rid of Sinclair , there is no reason a team ( especially an interstate team ) could not have three functioning ruckmen .
They would be guaranteed 15 out of 22 games for the year sharing the ruck , and have 7 games when they could be rested ( especially from interstate travel ) , or played in another position if they were versatile enough and the team structure required it .
And of course help to cover any injury concerns with the other two rucks .
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Re: 2017 Draft

Postby domo_the_eagle on Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:01 am

Mr Q wrote:One of the problems with drafting a young WAFL ruck is what to do with them. We went down exactly this path with Sinkers, and when it turned out that he was actually not a bad player, he wanted - understandably - to get game time and was traded out.

Ultimately, if they're good enough to play, they'll want to, and while this year we could have found a place, typically we won't. If they're not, then we might as well keep going down the Vardy path.


Yep, we even recruited Giles as back up but we haven't even being playing him. Both Natanui & Lycett are injury prone players so the chances of them both being injured or returning from injury at the same time is pretty high.

This year we have tried the petrie/vardy combination, but i dont think it worked as well as people think. They are both Fwd/Rucks not really capable of holding their own purely as the 1sr ruck (they've done the best they can as our only option). Vardy doesn't do enough around the ground (posessions, tackles, impact) or win enough hit outs. Petrie is a better stop gap solution because he actually is a good link player around the ground and lays a few tackles.

The last 2 games we have gone with 1x Ruck and 1x makeshift ruck - i think this is the best solution with what we have. The petrie/vardy combination probably only adds 10% improvement to the team if that.
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